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an0malous 19 hours ago [-]
> Caspari added that the team are now sequencing the ancient DNA of the seeds they found at the site.
This would sell
CatMustard 19 hours ago [-]
It would probably be extremely weak in comparison to the modern varieties. Not necessarily a bad thing (a more balanced, less THC-heavy strain might lead to a more pleasant high) but hard to sell many people on a much, much milder strain than what they're used to.
WarmWash 16 hours ago [-]
There has been a recent surge in "low THC" products as dispensaries learn their initial error in market profiling.
Initially their mainstay customers were dedicated stoners with high tolerances that only were interested in the strongest strains/products. But this ended up disenfranchising more casual users who had bad experiences using products that were way too strong for them.
They seem now to be coming around to the realization that there is a large market to be had of "lite" users who just want an occasional buzz. Likely much larger than the "stoner" market (by head count, not necessarily by revenue)
So rather continue in the direction of 50mg edibles and ultra potent strains, they have been moving towards 1mg edibles and high CBD/low THC strains.
Of course the strong stuff is still available, but their overall offerings have greatly diversified from just a few years ago.
GenerWork 12 hours ago [-]
I've been saying this for years, but dispensaries are speed-running the lessons that the craft beer industry learned. You start off with targeting the diehards with stronger drinks (DIPA, imperial stouts, etc), but eventually you need to branch out and target "normies".
NDlurker 15 hours ago [-]
Something I've been doing ever since CBD bud became legal is mixing it 50/50 with the regular stuff. Good way to cut it and still get some CBD in my diet
crypt1d 17 hours ago [-]
I think if marketed properly it could still do well. But more as a niche 'artisanal' strain than the mass produced ones like we have today.
Just in the last 50 years, thanks to modern science, cannabis production has evolved heavily. This resulted in far more (ie 3-5x as much) THC concentration per kg of weed than in the 1970s. This is important if you are doing mass production because of transportation costs that go into the economics of any business at scale. But it also means that the cannabis plants of today have been heavily selected throughout the years. So having access to an 'OG' seed would certainly be valuable both for research and marketing purposes.
zikduruqe 17 hours ago [-]
> I think if marketed properly it could still do well.
> I think if marketed properly it could still do well. But more as a niche 'artisanal' strain than the mass produced ones like we have today.
absolutely. crush your enemies, see them driven before you, hear the lamentations of the women, then get high AF with the Golden Horde strain
semolino 13 hours ago [-]
The Liquid Death marketing strategy: take the "weaker" version of the thing (that doesn't have the active ingredient) and enshroud it in badass imagery and prose.
specproc 18 hours ago [-]
I spent a lot of time in Georgia, where rudica hybrids are very common. Makes for a nice smoke, not as heavy as big name strains, and hardy and easy to grow.
fibonachos 17 hours ago [-]
I prefer a milder strain for this and other reasons. My local dispensary stocks a couple of options that are near or below 10% THC. The first few times I bought it they would always confirm whether I knew I was buying CBD. I think that says a lot about expectations around potency.
thomquaid 19 hours ago [-]
They would just consume more or concentrate it. Im sure the interest derives more from the profile of the various psychoactive compounds than their potency or farm viability.
10729287 17 hours ago [-]
Considering all the former smokers, now in their 40s/50s, buying CBD, I think there’s a market for weaker weed.
coffeebeqn 17 hours ago [-]
There’s not quite enough info but it could certainly add interesting qualities to hybridization. Like is it ruderalis, sativa, indica, something else? Ruderalis for example is not that exciting as a stand alone but it gave us autoflowers
p00ki3 16 hours ago [-]
A few iterations of intentional growth/cull would let a grower market it as derived/based on "oldest weed ever found!"
embedding-shape 14 hours ago [-]
Maybe it's different elsewhere in the world, but here in Catalunya our social clubs have all different types of strains available, included CBD-biased ones that have single-number amount of THC percentage, and those tend to be popular as well, so much that many run out of stock frequently.
I too often get the low-THC-high-CBD strains from time to time, depends on the situation really. Most important is how it taste for me though, I think most clubs here stopped aiming for "Maximum THC regardless of everything else" since a long time back.
metalman 11 hours ago [-]
dont smoke, but the crew I was hanging with are mad kronics, and were into making 'shatter', essentialy pure crystaline thc, and dont get me wrong, I love my crew, but they were not completly human anymore, sort of spirit biengs, just bieng down wind outside and I would catch a buzz.
I can guarantee that ancient weed strains will be a thing, as there are something like 14 varients on thc/canabinoids found in modern weed, and people very particular about breeding for specific mixes
konfusinomicon 16 hours ago [-]
they will ruin it by crossing it with whatever commercial strain that seemingly everything is derived from these days. gone are the days of old where variety was the spice of life. where are the strains like the early 2000s NY haze and diesel when we need them most!
madaxe_again 15 hours ago [-]
Willing to bet it’s very similar genetically to the stuff that grows wild everywhere in Kyrgyzstan.
dfxm12 18 hours ago [-]
Dogfish Head brewery sold a lot of beer developed in a similar way.
Midas Touch was inspired by remnants found in ancient drinking vessels associated with King Midas and brought to life with the help of biomolecular archaeologist Dr. Patrick McGovern.
I was really surprised how the article danced around the use of cannabis. The article framed it as possibly related to ritualistic and or funerary purposes. I see no reason that it wasn’t simply a lifestyle choice. Although even modern use may seem ritualistic. I just think it would be more honest to just say it was used.
roughly 15 hours ago [-]
I actually think the bias might run in the other direction - modern western life is historically anomalous in its lack of explicitly acknowledged rituals. We’re really one of the only intellectual traditions that abjures regular recognition of the meaning and significance of our actions and intents - for most other cultures at most other times, the notion of regularly setting aside time to acknowledge the broader context in which one is operating and consider how one intended to proceed would’ve been considered the wise way to live.
empath75 17 hours ago [-]
Yeah, I think it’s just an anachronism to even try to impose those categories. There is often a religious or spiritual element to getting high.
I think if historians in the far future looked at the rave scene in the mid to late 90s they would call it a religious movement. There are ritualistic elements, religious hymns, ceremony, etc. People often described it in religious terms. There was even a moral/ethical element (PLUR) And I think it wouldn’t be entirely wrong. But it also obviously doesn’t mean that getting fucked up and having fun wasn’t the primary motivation for most people.
walthamstow 16 hours ago [-]
Wallhop is great by the way. Thanks for introducing me to it by way of a post on another article I think.
timedude 18 hours ago [-]
This could have been used for medical purposes. I don't see what evidence they present for their claims of people using it to het high specifically.
Yes, and the researchers/scientists are quoted saying as much in the article
15 hours ago [-]
empath75 17 hours ago [-]
“ Now they have hemp growing in their land, which is very like flax except in thickness and in height, for in these respects the hemp is much superior. This grows both of itself and with cultivation; and of it the Thracians even make garments, which are very like those made of flaxen thread, so that he who was not specially conversant with it would not be able to decide whether the garments were of flax or of hemp; and he who had not before seen stuff woven of hemp would suppose that the garment was made of flax.
75The Scythians then take the seed of this hemp and creep under the felt coverings, and then they throw the seed upon the stones which have been heated red-hot: and it burns like incense and produces a vapour so thick that no vapour-bath in Hellas would surpass it: and the Scythians being delighted with the vapour-bath howl like wolves.[72] This is to them instead of washing, for in fact they do not wash their bodies at all in water.”
Herodotus.
—
Now Herodotus is not exactly a reliable historian, but I don’t think there is any reason for him to have just invented this.
Also, “medicinal” use wasn’t really a category that they would have recognized, nor was there a taboo on intoxication that would make them invent such a category. There might have been ritual element to it, or some other instrumental reason behind it, but I think a contemporaneous description of them seeming to enjoy it is pretty good reason to believe that part of it was that it was just a good time.
"Chemical analysis of braids of hair from the bodies of several people found in the central burial chamber identified chemical signatures consistent with THC"
Telemakhos 16 hours ago [-]
Reread Herodotus' report: he claims that the Scythians burned the seeds (τὸ σπέρμα) of the cannabis plant. The seeds contain no THC.
NDlurker 15 hours ago [-]
Maybe they were burning buds with lots of seeds
empath75 15 hours ago [-]
This is second hand at best for Herodotus, so “seeds” could have been an assumption, and it might have just been sort of flowering material including some seeds and resin etc. I think given the described reaction and, you know, thousands of years of history of people getting high from cannabis it is reasonable to assume they didn’t use seeds and only seeds.
madaxe_again 15 hours ago [-]
I find it really unlikely they were burning the seeds and hot boxing with them, given that burning hemp seeds make unbelievably unpleasant, astringent smoke - about as medicinal as having a tyre fire in your living room.
contingencies 15 hours ago [-]
My late professor was a world expert on some of the nomadic cultures on the northern Chinese periphery. He told me about historically attested 'make fire in tent then throw on cannabis then dance around' rituals documented in early literature. This finding pushes to prehistory and is probably most of a millennia earlier, but the cultural pattern in this geography is known.
bajard 18 hours ago [-]
Cannabis traces have also been found in ancient Egyptian mummies, many millennia before Columbus, despite being an American plant.
papua_is_being_ 18 hours ago [-]
> Cannabis traces have also been found in ancient Egyptian mummies, many millennia before Columbus, despite being an American plant
The genus Cannabis originated in Central Asia (specifically the northeastern Tibetan Plateau region) and shares a family (Cannabaceae) with its closest related sister genus, Humulus (hops) (McPartland, 2018; Kovalchuk et al., 2020).
References
Kovalchuk, I., Pellino, M., Rigault, P., van Velzen, R., Ebersbach, J., Ashnest, J. R., Mau, M., Schranz, M. E., Alcorn, J., Laprairie, R. B., McKay, J. K., Burbridge, C., Schneider, D., Vergara, D., Kane, N. C., & Sharbel, T. F. (2020). The genomics of Cannabis and its close relatives. Annual Review of Plant Biology, 71, 713–739. https://doi.org/10.1146/annurev-arplant-081519-040203
Cited by: 225
McPartland, J. M. (2018). Cannabis systematics at the levels of family, genus, and species. Cannabis and Cannabinoid Research, 3(1), 203–212. https://doi.org/10.1089/can.2018.0039
Cited by: 513
ErroneousBosh 12 hours ago [-]
I'm not saying they're wrong, but having spent a lot of time doing database work for archaeologists over the years, I can think of at least one other route to finding traces of cannabis use in finds from ancient tombs.
paulbjensen 16 hours ago [-]
This era shall now be known as the stoned age...
v3ai 20 hours ago [-]
"a grateful dead poster and incense found on the eastern edge of the tomb"
williamgators 18 hours ago [-]
Smoking causes cancer.
throw1234567891 18 hours ago [-]
Life kills.
whoanoway 17 hours ago [-]
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mschuster91 17 hours ago [-]
You can consume cannabis in a wide variety of manners that are not smoking it.
The most popular alternative is putting it into a vaporizer, but eh, still bad for the lungs. But you can also make tea out of it, you can make edibles (most popular: cannabutter and brownies), you can make extractions like hash, you can make tinctures for your skin, and there's even suppositories for rectal and vaginal use.
williamgators 14 hours ago [-]
I can’t imagine stuffing pot up your ass is healthy
roughly 15 hours ago [-]
It’s a little known fact that lung cancer was actually the leading cause of death for nomadic horse raiders of the Siberian steppe around this era.
AngryData 14 hours ago [-]
And? It didn't stop 10,000s of years of people sitting around campfires and smoke filled housing. In fact we probably have far higher smoke tolerance than any other animal to ever exist.
This would sell
Initially their mainstay customers were dedicated stoners with high tolerances that only were interested in the strongest strains/products. But this ended up disenfranchising more casual users who had bad experiences using products that were way too strong for them.
They seem now to be coming around to the realization that there is a large market to be had of "lite" users who just want an occasional buzz. Likely much larger than the "stoner" market (by head count, not necessarily by revenue)
So rather continue in the direction of 50mg edibles and ultra potent strains, they have been moving towards 1mg edibles and high CBD/low THC strains.
Of course the strong stuff is still available, but their overall offerings have greatly diversified from just a few years ago.
Just in the last 50 years, thanks to modern science, cannabis production has evolved heavily. This resulted in far more (ie 3-5x as much) THC concentration per kg of weed than in the 1970s. This is important if you are doing mass production because of transportation costs that go into the economics of any business at scale. But it also means that the cannabis plants of today have been heavily selected throughout the years. So having access to an 'OG' seed would certainly be valuable both for research and marketing purposes.
It works for the Mother Vine in Manteo, NC.
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/mother-vine-oldest-north...
absolutely. crush your enemies, see them driven before you, hear the lamentations of the women, then get high AF with the Golden Horde strain
I too often get the low-THC-high-CBD strains from time to time, depends on the situation really. Most important is how it taste for me though, I think most clubs here stopped aiming for "Maximum THC regardless of everything else" since a long time back.
Midas Touch was inspired by remnants found in ancient drinking vessels associated with King Midas and brought to life with the help of biomolecular archaeologist Dr. Patrick McGovern.
https://www.dogfish.com/drink/beer/midas-touch
I think if historians in the far future looked at the rave scene in the mid to late 90s they would call it a religious movement. There are ritualistic elements, religious hymns, ceremony, etc. People often described it in religious terms. There was even a moral/ethical element (PLUR) And I think it wouldn’t be entirely wrong. But it also obviously doesn’t mean that getting fucked up and having fun wasn’t the primary motivation for most people.
It's not unreasonable to think it possible.
Yes, and the researchers/scientists are quoted saying as much in the article
75The Scythians then take the seed of this hemp and creep under the felt coverings, and then they throw the seed upon the stones which have been heated red-hot: and it burns like incense and produces a vapour so thick that no vapour-bath in Hellas would surpass it: and the Scythians being delighted with the vapour-bath howl like wolves.[72] This is to them instead of washing, for in fact they do not wash their bodies at all in water.”
Herodotus.
— Now Herodotus is not exactly a reliable historian, but I don’t think there is any reason for him to have just invented this.
Also, “medicinal” use wasn’t really a category that they would have recognized, nor was there a taboo on intoxication that would make them invent such a category. There might have been ritual element to it, or some other instrumental reason behind it, but I think a contemporaneous description of them seeming to enjoy it is pretty good reason to believe that part of it was that it was just a good time.
"Chemical analysis of braids of hair from the bodies of several people found in the central burial chamber identified chemical signatures consistent with THC"
The genus Cannabis originated in Central Asia (specifically the northeastern Tibetan Plateau region) and shares a family (Cannabaceae) with its closest related sister genus, Humulus (hops) (McPartland, 2018; Kovalchuk et al., 2020).
References Kovalchuk, I., Pellino, M., Rigault, P., van Velzen, R., Ebersbach, J., Ashnest, J. R., Mau, M., Schranz, M. E., Alcorn, J., Laprairie, R. B., McKay, J. K., Burbridge, C., Schneider, D., Vergara, D., Kane, N. C., & Sharbel, T. F. (2020). The genomics of Cannabis and its close relatives. Annual Review of Plant Biology, 71, 713–739. https://doi.org/10.1146/annurev-arplant-081519-040203 Cited by: 225
McPartland, J. M. (2018). Cannabis systematics at the levels of family, genus, and species. Cannabis and Cannabinoid Research, 3(1), 203–212. https://doi.org/10.1089/can.2018.0039 Cited by: 513
The most popular alternative is putting it into a vaporizer, but eh, still bad for the lungs. But you can also make tea out of it, you can make edibles (most popular: cannabutter and brownies), you can make extractions like hash, you can make tinctures for your skin, and there's even suppositories for rectal and vaginal use.